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Fish Tug Nets Missile.

Postby BigMesh » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:55 am

Fishing tug nets missile
April 24, 1991

SHEBOYGAN, Wis. -- A fishing boat's unusual catch, which had been left sitting on a dock for about a week, turned out to be a Sidewinder missile with a live warhead.

A two-member Army ordnance disposal team from Fort Sheridan, Ill., examined the missile early Wednesday and then took it with them.

Police Capt. John Theune said the 8-foot-long Sidewinder was snagged last week in a net while the fishing tug was 8 miles out fishing on Lake Michigan. He said officials had no idea where the missile came from or how it got into the lake.

'We're just glad it's out of here,' Theune said.

'They said it was a Sidewinder missile with the rocket motor burned out but with the warhead intact,' he said. 'It turns out the fishing tug dragged this in about a week ago and it's been sitting down there on the dock.'

Police were notified about the rocket Tuesday night and contacted the ordnance disposal unit after first trying the Milwaukee bomb squad, which directed them to Fort Sheridan.

Theune said the disposal team told police the missile could have exploded. The team had police cordon off the area, restrict radio transmissions and lights in the area, and loaded the missle to take it back to Fort Sheridan.

Asked how he felt when he learned the warhead was live and the missile had been sitting on the dock about five blocks southeast of the downtown business district, Theune said, 'I felt kind of scared.'

In the meantime, Theune said, a restaurant owner came forward with a 4-foot rocket he had found in the lake. Theune said the disposal team examined it and said it was a practice rocket with an inert warhead, though they couldn't tell if the rocket motor was intact. They took it with them as well.

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Re: Fish Tug Nets Missile.

Postby BigMesh » Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:11 pm

These are some that were caught in the north half of Lake Michigan. Pretty much every fisherman ran up a count of these while Chub fishing.


A Missile Caught In Gill Nets By Commercial Fishermen In Lake Michigan_00014.jpg
There had to have been thousands of these across the lake bottom. I'm sure they're covered in Mussels now.

A Missile Caught In Gill Nets By Commercial Fishermen In Lake Michigan_00011.jpg
It's a genuine 2.75 In Rocket Motor.

Great Lakes fish tugs and commercial fishermen.
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Re: Fish Tug Nets Missile.

Postby comfish » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:16 pm

I also have a rocket caught off of Sheboygan wi.

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Re: Fish Tug Nets Missile.

Postby Points North » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:24 pm

Great photo comfish. Be careful with that badboy you gilled off of Sheboygan. I hear they're live and ready for battle. :D
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Re: Fish Tug Nets Missile.

Postby BigMesh » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:44 pm

Another article on the Sidewinder of Sheboygan

This Fish Story No Joke
Missile Netted In Lake

April 25, 1991|By Rogers Worthington, Chicago Tribune.

SHEBOYGAN, WIS. — U.S. military officials are trying to figure out how a live Sidewinder missile-a weapon designed to destroy enemy fighter planes-got into Lake Michigan. Local residents are just relieved that the missile, which sat on Sheboygan`s waterfront for at least a week after being fished out of the water, has been safely removed.

``It`s a mystery right now. We have to sleuth it out,`` said Col. Robert Winkelmann, an Air Force spokesman in Chicago.

The missile`s propellant was spent and its guidance system knocked away. But its warhead still was intact and live, and unaffected by immersion in water, said Lt. Robert Merkel of the 51st Explosive Ordnance Detachment at Ft. Sheridan, Ill., where the weapon was taken early Wednesday for disarming.

Military pilots from all over the country have long used restricted sections of Lake Michigan for practice, but never with live Sidewinder missiles, according to Maj. James McMurray of the Wisconsin Air National Guard, which schedules military activity in the area.

``I can`t think of any logical explanation,`` McMurray said. ``There`s no reason for anyone to carry a live missile out there.``

Army munitions specialists said the missile`s markings indicate it was produced in the 1960s. McMurray said lot numbers appear on most munitions, making it possible to trace them to the military unit to which they were assigned.

The missile was brought ashore April 15 by James Benson, a commercial fisherman from Marinette, Wis., who thought it was harmless.

Daniel Trew, an Army spokesman at Ft. Sheridan, said Sidewinders, which are heat-seeking air-to-air missiles, pack enough explosives to demolish an automobile with ease.

Of greater concern to the scores of Sheboyganites who passed by and even toyed with the white, nine-foot-long missile is the fact that a Sidewinder is a shrapnel-producing weapon.

``The shrapnel definitely would have caused a problem,`` Trew said.

Ft. Sheridan spokeswoman Karen Epstein told The Associated Press it is unlikely the missile would have exploded on its own. ``It would need to be set off by remote control,`` she said, but added, ``Any unexploded ordnance is a hazard because there`s always lightning strikes, and things like that, that could set (it) off.``

Local residents were surprised Wednesday morning when they learned a live missile was in their midst. Tom Ziegler, who works at a fishing supply store, said he ``freaked out.``

``We all played around with it. It sat there for a week,`` said Ziegler, shaking his head.

Mark Nelson, a commercial fisherman, said he even whacked it with a hammer a few times. ``We were trying to see what it was made of,`` Nelson said.

Benson, the fisherman who found the Sidewinder, also treated it with less respect than it apparently deserved.

``We banged it on board, threw a line around it and towed it alongside,`` said Benson, a chub fisherman who thought he had a log in his net. Benson and his two-man crew were about six miles out and eight miles south of Sheboygan on his boat, the ``Carolyn,`` when they found the missile.

``I suppose we were lucky.`` he said.

The missile was propped on a bench about two blocks from the Sheboygan Yacht Club on a boardwalk about 20 feet from the water. The recently remodeled area overlooking the harbor features shops and restaurants.

Not until Tuesday evening, when Jason Rowlands walked by, did a sense of alarm develop. An army reservist, Rowlands identified it as a potentially live guided missile. He called police.

``At first they thought I was kidding,`` he said. But an officer who had served in the Air Force confirmed Rowlands` opinion. Soon, a call was placed to Ft. Sheridan.

``I don`t like bombs laying around my city,`` said Chief Ralph Dottai.

Finding spent ordnance in Lake Michigan is nothing new for Wisconsin fishermen. Practice rounds and small, unarmed missiles often show up in nets, said Charlie Nylund, a Sheboygan fisherman. Army gunners at Camp Haven, a now- closed facility north of Sheboygan, had used the lake as a gunnery range.

The military practice areas in Lake Michigan, designated R6903 and Minnow MOA, are about 15 miles east of the Wisconsin coastline, McMurray said. Fighter and bomber pilots from all branches of the service use them for air-to-air gunnery practice, using towed drones, he said.

``That`s what it is approved for. It is not approved for firing missiles,`` McMurray said.

McMurray said the area was used six times last year, and once so far this year.

John Tirpak, Pentagon correspondent for Aerospace Daily, a trade publication, said it would be unusual to use an armed Sidewinder in a training exercise over Lake Michigan.

``If you were going to practice shooting at a drone pulled by another plane,`` Tirpak said, ``you`d never use a missile`` because it could lock in on heat from the towing plane. ``You`d use cannons,`` he said.

Tirpak speculated that the armed missile could have been mistakenly loaded onto a plane and fired, or it could have fallen from a plane ferrying it, with the missile`s engine started by the impact of hitting water.

The Wisconsin Air National Guard notifies the Federal Aviation Administration in Aurora when a practice session is scheduled. The FAA in turn notifies private pilots in the area. A Coast Guard spokesman in Milwaukee said it radios a similar notice to mariners.

Local commercial fishermen said they have heard no such warnings concerning Sidewinder missiles.

``It seems to me they ought to let you know about it,`` Nylund said.
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Re: Fish Tug Nets Missile.

Postby cnylund » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:30 am

These are pictures I took recently of a military drone that I believe was produced in the 1960's and was basically used as a target for sighting early guidance systems for all these types of rockets us fishermen have been picking out of our nets the last few decades.This drone was also caught in deep water gill nets in Lake Michigan.It is quite unusual with a wooden two blade prop and what looks to be a 4 cylinder engine mounted in front of a roughly 15 feet long fuselage.In the pictures the drone is kind of folded in half. The tail section sitting next to the cockpit. It is the only one ever pulled out of Lake Michigan or any of the other Great Lakes as far as I know. It would be interesting too see others..
Drone folded in half .View of cockpit and tail section..JPG
Drone pulled from Lake Michigan
Drone fuselage with word Target stenciled on it..JPG
Drone fuselage with word "Target" printed on it.

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Re: Fish Tug Nets Missile.

Postby whitecap » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:49 am

Here is a few more snapshots i took of the wreckage
Drone forward cockpit.jpg
Unusual drone aircraft pulled from Lake Michigan
Drone wreckage.jpg
Drone wreckage
Women Frantically  Searches Drone Wreckage.jpg
Women Frantically Searches Drone Wreckage for Tiny pilot and Crew !!